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Old 01-23-2008, 06:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's okay to be the devil's advocate ABE. It presents another standpoint and makes you look at the situation as a whole, both positive and negative. I appreciate you sharing your point of view but respectfully disagree. I truly hope that you do not believe Ford to be lacking in any "factual" info when it comes to their products. They know what issues their products have and they just hope that people won't do their research to discover the same.

I place the majority of the blame on Ford because in the end they are responsible for the quality and safety of their vehicles. However I also believe a portion of the blame lies with the dealership for not following up on our repeated electrical complaints that would only occur after periods of rain or heavy fog and not any other times. They should step up and admit the fact that they did not properly diagnose and address our Dec 06 issues which has led us up to this current issue. Last week the dealer DID test the windshield (so they say) and diagnosed the ABS malfunction and other strange electrical issues experieced on 1/17/08 to be related to a water leak into the fuse box/GEM. Their Oasis system, which must have been on the fritz since April 2002, is apparantly working now.

I had to do a lot of homework regarding this issue and there are some really interesting pieces of info that I found while researching. First, Ford knew they had issues with these vehicles because they relased a Special Service Message to all dealerships in April 2002 stating the following:

*FORD SPECIAL MESSAGE #15773 VARIOUS ELECTRICAL CONDITIONS RESULTING FROM WATER INTRUSION INTO THE GEM/CJB
SOME 1997-2002 EXPEDITION AND 1998-2002 NAVIGATOR VEHICLES MAY EXHIBIT VARIOUS UNUSUAL ELECTRICAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO: FRONT OR REAR BLOWER OR EATC STAYING ON WITH KEY OUT OF THE IGNITION, RADIO STAYING ON AFTER DOORS OPENED AND KEY OUT OF IGNITION, WIPER CIRCUIT FAILURE CODES, AND MULTIPLE SYSTEM WARNING LIGHTS WITH 'SHORT TO POWER' OR 'LOW BATTERY VOLTAGE' DTCS. THESE SYMPTOMS MOST OFTEN OCCUR AFTER A RAIN OR SNOW.
THIS MAY BE DUE TO GEM/CJB WATER INTRUSION RESULTING FROM A WINDSHIELD WATER LEAK. TO SERVICE, REMOVE THE GEM AND CJB FROM THE VEHICLE, SEPARATE THEM AND INSPECT FOR WATER CONTAMINATION OR CORROSION. IF FOUND IN EITHER COMPONENT, REPLACE BOTH COMPONENTS AND COMPLETELY RESEAL THE WINDSHIELD.
EFFECTIVE DATE: 04/05/2002

*****DUH MOMENT #1*****
If Vehicle alarm system going off while the vehicle is in motion, windshield wipers not working, interior lights going on & off themselves and radio not working as happened to me all on the same rainy day in Dec 06 doesn't constitute an unusual electrical condition I would like to see what does.

*****DUH MOMENT #2*****
Jan 08 after heavy rain car wouldn't start and when jumped, radio malfunctions as do interior lights, ABS module popping/clicking due when vehicle is off and key is removed from ignition. How normal is this???

I consider the delaership overlooking my electrical complaints in Dec 06 (which correspond to items outlines in SSM 15773) to be responsible for where the vehicle is at this point because they did not perform the service specified in the SSM when the vehicle would have been under the AWA period both year and mileage wise.

I further discovered this was enough of an issue that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration opened up investigation PE 05-033 in June of 05 and upgraded it to Engineering Analysis investigation EA 05-015 in October 05 to assess the potential safety consequences. The windshield water leak causing electrical failure investigation focused on 1999-2001 Expeditions. Now while they did find occurances of water intrusion on their test vehicle, they stated they were not occuring frequently enough to warrant pursuing as a defect. They did state that just because they closed their investigation it did not mean a safety related defect did not exist. So to me, this makes it Ford's problem.

I haven't taken the truck to another dealer yet for the following reasons:

1. I am afraid to drive it anywhere in case there happens to be another malfunction, maybe this time a major one, with the ABS or any other safety features of the vehicle and I, God forbid, get into or cause an accident and hurt anyone.

2. I am giving both the dealership and Ford time to digest and act on the 3 page letter I e-mailed to them before post a blog and I rent a tow truck driver for the day and have the vehicle paraded around the city with a huge sign plastered to it with the following
"Have you driven a Ford lately? We did and this is where it ended up thanks to (insert name of dealership here) and Ford Motor Company's accountability. Go to www.(insert blog address here) to find out more."

Ford IS to blame and I refuse to accept either their Customer Relationship Center's response nor the dealership's response. The vehicle WILL be repaired by Ford and it WILL NOT be on my dime.

I will keep everyone posted as the saga unfolds

Hope everyone has a great night

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Yes I would like to see what happens, I hope they do realize it is their fault and fix it correctly.
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Me to, and good luck...
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Good morning everyone!

Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up the Expedition from the dealership last night and hopefully this will be the end of the electrical isssues. After composing and sending an effective complaint e-mail correspondence to the dealership and Ford Motor Company I waited two days for a response. On the 2nd day I filed a formal complaint against both Ford and the dealership with the BBB and went to pick my vehicle up at the dealership. I instructed them not to repair anything on the vehicle because I intended on taking further action including contacting the local media investigative teams. When I arrived at the dealership that evening I asked to see the General Manager so that I could voice my disdain in person. He, in turn, told me that the Service Manager I had been dealing with was not the "top" person in that department and asked me to return the following day to speak with the appropriate personnel. I paid my $110.00 diagnostic fee for the ABS system and left. There were some items that made my husband and I suspicious if they actually even looked at the vehicle while it was there. First off they claimed to have tested the windshield for leaks and discovered the source as well as checking the fuse box and GEM module. Well the windshield did not appear to have been touched at all (for once it was good that there was dirt and dust both on the windshield and dash), second hubby had placed red electrical tape on either side of the fuse box cover to make sure the cover was secure and low and behold the electrical tape was undisturbed. We were both livid to say the least. Anyway the next day I went back to the dealership again and spoke with the GM as well as the "real" service manager who swore they did test the windshield and found a leak as well as visually inspected the fuse & GEM and saw evidence of water intrusion. In the meantime though my e-mail had been read by the owner of the dealership and instructed the service manager to make sure that my issues were resolved. They aplogized for allowing me to take my vehicle home the night before which they claim they never should have done due to the ABS issue not being resolved. I am sure it was some sort of liability issue. They took my vehicle back in on the spot and provided me with a rental SUV while mine was repaired. They told me that they were going to repair the issues at no cost to us and would fight it out with Ford themselves. That happened last Thursday. So on Friday night we go in to drop off hubby's 07 diesel SD for an oil change and while we were waiting our service advisor tells us that they had their windshield guys out today working on the Expedition for 2 hours and could not find one leak (hhhmmm the Ford guys supposedly found the leak prior)! Luckily there was not one management person left at the dealership at that time because that tidbit of info was straw that broke my back. The service manager wasn't in on Saturday so I had to wait until Monday to speak to him. He insisted the service advisor was mistaken when she told us that and that the Ford tech tested the windshield the previous Friday when it was in (yeah right). Anyway he said that the truck was apart and that the parts were due to be in that day and that the truck would be ready the following day. Sure enough I got a call yesterday morning saying the truck was finished. They replaced the windshield, the fuse box and the GEM module at no cost to us. They also refunded the $110+ for the diagnostic tests they did the week before. I am still composing a letter to Mr. Ford just to let him know how unhappy I am regarding this whole situation. Oh and Ford Customer Realtions has also changed their tune now that the Attorney General and the BBB contacted them and have called me three times already to confirm the vehicle has been reapired to my satisfaction and to let me know that that the dealership will eat the cost of the repairs (how fair is that?). I will let them know how satisfied I am after our next heavy rain.

Thanks again for all of your help here you guys arte the best!
Hope everyone has a great day!!!
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Congratulations on your perseverance and successful resolution of the problem with your dealer.

I hope the Expedition works well for you now.
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Why wait? Why don't u get out the water hose and have a "good go" at the windshield...?
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i have the same problem my abs light will not go off and my expedition has a running motor noise that i tracked to be the kelsey-hayes box also.it will just continue to run what is this box and how should i go about fixing this problem.I dont know how much that box would be or if it something else.
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Can anyone help me on this situation? I dont know if im doing these posts right or if they are threads or what?all i know is i have a messed up expedition and i need some help from someone please.I can afford to send this car to a ford dealership unless i have to> i am new in this forum so i dont know the right way to ask for advise or how i can view it if sombody does respond.
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