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Old 08-19-2008, 05:30 AM   #51 (permalink)
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You seem to have a knack for troubleshooting so no need for frustration.

While, identifying a vac leak is a labor intensive job, but no way near $400/900.

I would say your VCM is fine; but leave your finger at VCM's stem a bit longer, say 2 -3 mins and see if it holds.

Turn the rear A/C switch to A/C and check if there is vac suction at the end of the rubber tube that you removed from VCM. To do this, hold the end of the tube flush against the back of your hand and feel for "sustained" suction. Absence of sustained suction would mean vac leak.

For your front A/C control, two VCMs are mounted just above and to the right of the gas pedal. First, check to see if vac lines are connected to them. Second, do the finger test as you did with the rear VCM. Third, change the A/C switch.

Good luck and please post back.

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Thank you all. Quick question before I buy new VCM. I was able to take it out (so now I know how to detach the lever for the summer in case it is not fixed completely). When I press the lever all the way down, and put my finger where the hose connects, the VCM is not losing any air, and the valve is staying in place (down). Does that mean that VCM is good, and the problem is the leak somewhere along that white line? Or not necessarily? Thank you.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:48 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Thank you all. Quick question before I buy new VCM. I was able to take it out (so now I know how to detach the lever for the summer in case it is not fixed completely). When I press the lever all the way down, and put my finger where the hose connects, the VCM is not losing any air, and the valve is staying in place (down). Does that mean that VCM is good, and the problem is the leak somewhere along that white line? Or not necessarily? Thank you.
The answer is YES... your VCM is fine.

I'll post more on this thread a bit later... and be able to clarify some issues a bit.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:47 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I really appreciate advise and encouragement, however, I feel like there isn't much I can do myself at this point. I put my finger on the white line, and I feel no suction whatsoever. Furthermore, now that my front air is going through defrost mode only, I followed vindctar's advise and checked for suction on 4 wires connecting to 2 valves in the front (just above to the right of gas pedal). I felt no air coming in or out of any of the wires. I was not able to test VCMs with my finger - could not push down on the lever and plug 2 holes at the same time. I am making an assumption there is a vacuum leak somewhere, but I have no experience in testing it, replacing it etc. Like I said before, I am no car mechanic, I just take things apart if they don't work, and most of the time can figure out what's wrong. So my question is this: 1. could it be front heat/air switch that's wrong? My guess is not, as replacing rear control switch did not fix the rear problem. If you guys think it could be the switch, I will pay Ford $32 they want for it and give it a try. If it is a vacuum leak, all I need to know is whether it's something I should even try to fix myself, or just take it to a mechanic. I do not want to waste your time if you think this is way over my head. If you agree with taking it to the shop, how much should I be prepared to pay for fixing this problem. Thank you again to all. If you believe there is another troubleshooting step I can complete myself, feel free to let me know.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I finally took some time to take a serious look at my rear air.
I took some pictures to help explain.
There are a number of components that controls the rear air and heat, and the duct work.

Regarding the rear heat and AC.
In the rear there are two actuators, one inside the passenger compartment, that I posted a picture of earlier... it is attached to the blue lever. It is vacuum actuated with a thin white vacuum line. It gets its vacuum from the switch on the dash. I'll cover that in a llittle bit. The blue lever when in the down position will direct air through the roof vents, when in the up position it will direct air through the side bottom vent. That acutator is spring loaded, and when there is no vacuum supplied, or insufficient vacuum supplied the default position is with the lever in the up position (air flow directed to the floor).

There is also another actuator on the driver's side under the truck that is a vacuum controlled valve. It controls the flow of hot water in and out of the rear heater core. It gets is vacuum supply from the same vacuum line as the inside the car actuator. One line comes from the switch in the dash and is later split to feed both actuators.

On the right side of the dash there is a switch that controls the fan speed, and whether one will get AC or heat in the rear. That is an interesting switch in that it is a vacuum switch, and an electrical switch in one. It has a black vacuum hose supply line, and a white vacuum hose that is affected by the flipping of the switch to determine if the white vacuum hose will have vacuum. That is the white vacuum hose that controls the rear two actuators I mentioned above. It is also an electrical switch that determines the rear fan speed.

Here are some of the steps I took to determine that my problem is a switch that is leaking vacuum.

My symptoms were that sometimes I would get roof air, sometimes floor air, and sometimes heat.

I pulled the inside panel out, and the vacuum hose to the actuator inside the car. I had vacuum, I measured it at 5 inches with a vacuum guage. I pulled the actuator out, and sucked on the vacuum input. It worked and held vacuum. Another suggestion mentioned above is to depress the actuator, put your finger over the inlet, and see if it stays depressed. IN either case, if it didn't hold vacuum, it would have to be replaced.

I crawled under the car and put a hose on the vacuum input for the heater flow control valve, and sucked on it. I heard it move, and it held vacuum. I presume it is good. Now.. I know that I can draw down approximately 16 inches of vacuum by mouth, so I estimate that it took about 10 inches to close that valve.

Now remember that I only had about 5 inches of vacuum out of the white vacuum line. both of my actuators are capable of holding vacuum, so I needed to see how much vacuum my engine was creating.

I started her up and pulled a vacuum line near the intake manifold, and found that I had 17 inches of vacuum at idle. Obviously I had a leak somewhere in the line that feeds the rear actuators.

The connections going to the actuators were like new, and very tight. I decided to look at the in dash controls.

The front panel has about 10 pressure fit clips, being careful, it pulled straight out.
There are four screws that holds the switch panel in place.
And one that holds the right hand switch in place.

The black hose in the back of the switch brings vacuum in, and when the switch is turned to heat, it just blocks the hose so that there is no vacuum leak. When the switch is turned to rear AC, it connects the black and white so that the white has vacuum (which shuts the hot water off from underneath, and flips the blue lever on the inside to direct the air to the roof.)

I checked vacuum at the black hose at the switch and had 17 inches of vacuum. So I knew that I was loosing some vacuum between there and the actuators.

Here's more information than what you need unless you are also having an issue with your front vents. When I just disconnected the vacuum connection to the switch, it created a vacuum leak in the black hose. That hose gets its vacuum from the main black vacuum line that feeds the front vent directional control switch and all of its actuators. When it was disconnected the default was for the air or heat to be directed to the windshield/defrosters.

When I held my thumb over the opening to the black hose, the front vents worked properly again.

I took the switch apart and couldn't figure how to fix it I ordered a new one. TO my pleasant surprise it was only $30 with tax. It'll be in tomorrow, from the dealership.

IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

Here are some pictures to help.
RemoveThis.jpg
This just pulls off

FourScrews.jpg
ONly four screws holds this in

VacuumControlSwitches.jpg


BlackAndWhite.jpg
This plugs into the rear switch. IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

RearHeatControlValve2.jpg
This is the rear heater control valve that is outside, under the van on the driver's side in front of the rear wheel.

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This is the location of the inside the cab actuator.



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Way to go, broncojoe!
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:02 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Thanks, Broncojoe! Very nice post. I completed most of the same steps you did already, and looking at your pictures was like looking at my car - funny feeling. Anyway, the only thing that's different on mine is that when I block the opening of the black vacuum line going to the rear switch, my front vents still do not work. I actually tried that yesterday morning, following the same logic you just explained. I do not feel any vacuum, not on the ends going to the switch, not by the actuators (both front and back). All lines going to VCMs seem to have very good fitting connection. So my next step seemed to be measuring the pressure, however, as I said before, I do not have any testing equipment (unlike you) to say how many inches of vacuum I have and where. I went to AutoZone this morning and asked for it, and the guy said he has nothing like that, and recommended checking for cracked vacuum lines under the hood. This is where I get lost, broncojoe - I do not know what to look for and where. Obviously, replacing the rear switch did not fix my problem. Not feeling any vacuum with my finger, I am guessing not enough vacuum coming to either the front or the rear switch over the main black line.

I looked under the hood for any lose or missing connections - did not see any. I than came back to the car and looked at the black line again. At the clear plastic T - where the main black splits into 2, one going to front and one going to rear switch - I noticed some sort of green stuff inside. The same green gunk was on the front switch where the black line connects. So I stuck the wire inside it and it took me about 10 minutes to fish that green sticky gunk out. I got all of it out, but the system is still not working. So I am wondering at this point what that green stuff is, and is it inside that black line beyond the T. I followed the main black line, from the switch, through the dashboard, almost the glove compartment and than through the firewall into the engine compartment, where it terminated into a T with another red line (not sure what that one does) and into the black box. Did not see any crack. Not sure about the next step, let me know your thoughts. Thank you all!
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If you stand at the front of the engine, the alternator is on the left. Just to the right of the alternator there is a little dashpot that has an easily accessible vacuum line attached. Start her up, and pull that vacuum line, and put your finger on the hose to see what 17 - 18 inches of vacuum feels like. Put it back on, and turn off the engine.

Now back inside the car. As we know... the black hose is the vacuum source.
I guess I would pull the front switch that controls the front vent actuators. I'd want to know if I have vacuum that far. So close off the black hose that goes to the rear controllers with a piece of tape. Then test the black hose for vacuum to the front switch. If you have no vacuum there... then you will have to trace it back to its source, as you have already been trying to do. IF you HAVE vacuum there... then you will have to come up with a way to test the integrity of each of the different colored vacuum lines, and the actuators they are attached to.

One way may be to see if you can find a plastic insulated wire that will fit tightly inside the connector, strip the wire out of it, and use the insulation like a straw, and then test each of the colored tubing by drawing vacuum with the straw. If it holds vacuum, then that one is good. If they are all good... then the switch is bad.

I don't know what that green stuff is.

If some one has a windstar EVTM electric and vacuum troubleshooting manual, they would be able to tell us which colored vacuum line goes to which actuator.

For others who are not completely following this post in one of the pictures above, you can see the middle switch has red, blue, green, yellow, and orange vacuum lines (they look like wires) each if them affect an actuator that directs the air to to the various vents in the front.
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White / aux
orange / recirculating
blue and yellow / air to floor outlets
red and green / registers
black / source

This was actually in the service manual,I dont have a scanner but I could fax it if you guys are interested
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I fixed it! I am so happy, and I really appreciate all the help and encouragement I got from you guys! It was unlike anything I would have thought or expected.

As I said in my previous post, I got that green stuff out from the T in the black hose by the switches, but I still was not getting any vacuum on either end of the black hose. I then disconnected the harness (where all the lines - with the exception of white one - meet just above the gas pedal. I wanted to see if I am getting any suction out of the black vacuum line there, and I could feel it, it was pretty strong. At that point, I was 99% sure something is clogging up that black vacuum line on its way to the switches, as I could not see any leaks/cracks. So I stuck the wire inside from the switch side, and tried to push it as far as I could, though I could never do it all the way to the other end (roughly 2.5 feet). However, at one point, I fished out a bunch of that green glue substance as it got stuck to the wire. I connected all the wires back, started the engine, and everything - front and rear - was working properly!

I have no idea what that green stuff is. My guess is it originated at the front switch, first clogged up the T connection going to the rear switch, so that went out first (about 3 years ago). Over time, it clogged up this main vacuum line, so the front went out (2 weeks ago) because there was no suction left. Like I said, I would have never guessed anything like that in my life. It had to come from the front switch, since there was that substance right on the switch connector to the black line. It could not have come from the other side (harness). Anyway, it looks like I did not have to buy neither rear nor front switch (anybody interested, I will sell it to you for much less than I paid Ford couple days ago), but I am sure happy to be able to fix this long term, annoying problem. I just wonder if I should replace that piece of black line, or hope that I got all the gunk out already.

Thanks again for your help, I would not have done it without this forum. BTW, I also fixed another annoying problem - internal lights on all the time - by spraying WD-40 into all the door latches, as recommended on this forum.
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