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Old 08-19-2008, 05:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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You seem to have a knack for troubleshooting so no need for frustration.

While, identifying a vac leak is a labor intensive job, but no way near $400/900.

I would say your VCM is fine; but leave your finger at VCM's stem a bit longer, say 2 -3 mins and see if it holds.

Turn the rear A/C switch to A/C and check if there is vac suction at the end of the rubber tube that you removed from VCM. To do this, hold the end of the tube flush against the back of your hand and feel for "sustained" suction. Absence of sustained suction would mean vac leak.

For your front A/C control, two VCMs are mounted just above and to the right of the gas pedal. First, check to see if vac lines are connected to them. Second, do the finger test as you did with the rear VCM. Third, change the A/C switch.

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Thank you all. Quick question before I buy new VCM. I was able to take it out (so now I know how to detach the lever for the summer in case it is not fixed completely). When I press the lever all the way down, and put my finger where the hose connects, the VCM is not losing any air, and the valve is staying in place (down). Does that mean that VCM is good, and the problem is the leak somewhere along that white line? Or not necessarily? Thank you.
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I found after tracing down my vacuum lines that my rear ac/heat switch is leaking. I covered the black line and my front ac started working fine. I jumped it to the white line and my rear started working fine. I am going to purchase a new switch today and replace.
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Default rear a/c-heat and beeping/dome light issue

i will check on the vacuum leak switch over, but i also need help with the nagging problem of the door ajar beep.all the doors are shut however the beep doesnt stop. what door would you think or would the on board computer be able to tell me with a code of which door to check?

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Thank you all. Quick question before I buy new VCM. I was able to take it out (so now I know how to detach the lever for the summer in case it is not fixed completely). When I press the lever all the way down, and put my finger where the hose connects, the VCM is not losing any air, and the valve is staying in place (down). Does that mean that VCM is good, and the problem is the leak somewhere along that white line? Or not necessarily? Thank you.
The answer is YES... your VCM is fine.

I'll post more on this thread a bit later... and be able to clarify some issues a bit.
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I really appreciate advise and encouragement, however, I feel like there isn't much I can do myself at this point. I put my finger on the white line, and I feel no suction whatsoever. Furthermore, now that my front air is going through defrost mode only, I followed vindctar's advise and checked for suction on 4 wires connecting to 2 valves in the front (just above to the right of gas pedal). I felt no air coming in or out of any of the wires. I was not able to test VCMs with my finger - could not push down on the lever and plug 2 holes at the same time. I am making an assumption there is a vacuum leak somewhere, but I have no experience in testing it, replacing it etc. Like I said before, I am no car mechanic, I just take things apart if they don't work, and most of the time can figure out what's wrong. So my question is this: 1. could it be front heat/air switch that's wrong? My guess is not, as replacing rear control switch did not fix the rear problem. If you guys think it could be the switch, I will pay Ford $32 they want for it and give it a try. If it is a vacuum leak, all I need to know is whether it's something I should even try to fix myself, or just take it to a mechanic. I do not want to waste your time if you think this is way over my head. If you agree with taking it to the shop, how much should I be prepared to pay for fixing this problem. Thank you again to all. If you believe there is another troubleshooting step I can complete myself, feel free to let me know.
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I finally took some time to take a serious look at my rear air.
I took some pictures to help explain.
There are a number of components that controls the rear air and heat, and the duct work.

Regarding the rear heat and AC.
In the rear there are two actuators, one inside the passenger compartment, that I posted a picture of earlier... it is attached to the blue lever. It is vacuum actuated with a thin white vacuum line. It gets its vacuum from the switch on the dash. I'll cover that in a llittle bit. The blue lever when in the down position will direct air through the roof vents, when in the up position it will direct air through the side bottom vent. That acutator is spring loaded, and when there is no vacuum supplied, or insufficient vacuum supplied the default position is with the lever in the up position (air flow directed to the floor).

There is also another actuator on the driver's side under the truck that is a vacuum controlled valve. It controls the flow of hot water in and out of the rear heater core. It gets is vacuum supply from the same vacuum line as the inside the car actuator. One line comes from the switch in the dash and is later split to feed both actuators.

On the right side of the dash there is a switch that controls the fan speed, and whether one will get AC or heat in the rear. That is an interesting switch in that it is a vacuum switch, and an electrical switch in one. It has a black vacuum hose supply line, and a white vacuum hose that is affected by the flipping of the switch to determine if the white vacuum hose will have vacuum. That is the white vacuum hose that controls the rear two actuators I mentioned above. It is also an electrical switch that determines the rear fan speed.

Here are some of the steps I took to determine that my problem is a switch that is leaking vacuum.

My symptoms were that sometimes I would get roof air, sometimes floor air, and sometimes heat.

I pulled the inside panel out, and the vacuum hose to the actuator inside the car. I had vacuum, I measured it at 5 inches with a vacuum guage. I pulled the actuator out, and sucked on the vacuum input. It worked and held vacuum. Another suggestion mentioned above is to depress the actuator, put your finger over the inlet, and see if it stays depressed. IN either case, if it didn't hold vacuum, it would have to be replaced.

I crawled under the car and put a hose on the vacuum input for the heater flow control valve, and sucked on it. I heard it move, and it held vacuum. I presume it is good. Now.. I know that I can draw down approximately 16 inches of vacuum by mouth, so I estimate that it took about 10 inches to close that valve.

Now remember that I only had about 5 inches of vacuum out of the white vacuum line. both of my actuators are capable of holding vacuum, so I needed to see how much vacuum my engine was creating.

I started her up and pulled a vacuum line near the intake manifold, and found that I had 17 inches of vacuum at idle. Obviously I had a leak somewhere in the line that feeds the rear actuators.

The connections going to the actuators were like new, and very tight. I decided to look at the in dash controls.

The front panel has about 10 pressure fit clips, being careful, it pulled straight out.
There are four screws that holds the switch panel in place.
And one that holds the right hand switch in place.

The black hose in the back of the switch brings vacuum in, and when the switch is turned to heat, it just blocks the hose so that there is no vacuum leak. When the switch is turned to rear AC, it connects the black and white so that the white has vacuum (which shuts the hot water off from underneath, and flips the blue lever on the inside to direct the air to the roof.)

I checked vacuum at the black hose at the switch and had 17 inches of vacuum. So I knew that I was loosing some vacuum between there and the actuators.

Here's more information than what you need unless you are also having an issue with your front vents. When I just disconnected the vacuum connection to the switch, it created a vacuum leak in the black hose. That hose gets its vacuum from the main black vacuum line that feeds the front vent directional control switch and all of its actuators. When it was disconnected the default was for the air or heat to be directed to the windshield/defrosters.

When I held my thumb over the opening to the black hose, the front vents worked properly again.

I took the switch apart and couldn't figure how to fix it I ordered a new one. TO my pleasant surprise it was only $30 with tax. It'll be in tomorrow, from the dealership.

IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

Here are some pictures to help.
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This just pulls off

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This plugs into the rear switch. IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

RearHeatControlValve2.jpg
This is the rear heater control valve that is outside, under the van on the driver's side in front of the rear wheel.

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IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.
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Thanks, BroncoJoe!
Using the wire's empty insulation as a section of vacuum hose to temporarily connect the black and white lines was a real stroke of genius - I don't think I would have come up with that solution on my own.
That, and an additional can of R134, have the front and rear A/C blowing ice cubes.
I'll have to order a new switch and fix it properly one of these days, but for now it's good.
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I finally took some time to take a serious look at my rear air.
I took some pictures to help explain.
There are a number of components that controls the rear air and heat, and the duct work.

Regarding the rear heat and AC.
In the rear there are two actuators, one inside the passenger compartment, that I posted a picture of earlier... it is attached to the blue lever. It is vacuum actuated with a thin white vacuum line. It gets its vacuum from the switch on the dash. I'll cover that in a llittle bit. The blue lever when in the down position will direct air through the roof vents, when in the up position it will direct air through the side bottom vent. That acutator is spring loaded, and when there is no vacuum supplied, or insufficient vacuum supplied the default position is with the lever in the up position (air flow directed to the floor).

There is also another actuator on the driver's side under the truck that is a vacuum controlled valve. It controls the flow of hot water in and out of the rear heater core. It gets is vacuum supply from the same vacuum line as the inside the car actuator. One line comes from the switch in the dash and is later split to feed both actuators.

On the right side of the dash there is a switch that controls the fan speed, and whether one will get AC or heat in the rear. That is an interesting switch in that it is a vacuum switch, and an electrical switch in one. It has a black vacuum hose supply line, and a white vacuum hose that is affected by the flipping of the switch to determine if the white vacuum hose will have vacuum. That is the white vacuum hose that controls the rear two actuators I mentioned above. It is also an electrical switch that determines the rear fan speed.

Here are some of the steps I took to determine that my problem is a switch that is leaking vacuum.

My symptoms were that sometimes I would get roof air, sometimes floor air, and sometimes heat.

I pulled the inside panel out, and the vacuum hose to the actuator inside the car. I had vacuum, I measured it at 5 inches with a vacuum guage. I pulled the actuator out, and sucked on the vacuum input. It worked and held vacuum. Another suggestion mentioned above is to depress the actuator, put your finger over the inlet, and see if it stays depressed. IN either case, if it didn't hold vacuum, it would have to be replaced.

I crawled under the car and put a hose on the vacuum input for the heater flow control valve, and sucked on it. I heard it move, and it held vacuum. I presume it is good. Now.. I know that I can draw down approximately 16 inches of vacuum by mouth, so I estimate that it took about 10 inches to close that valve.

Now remember that I only had about 5 inches of vacuum out of the white vacuum line. both of my actuators are capable of holding vacuum, so I needed to see how much vacuum my engine was creating.

I started her up and pulled a vacuum line near the intake manifold, and found that I had 17 inches of vacuum at idle. Obviously I had a leak somewhere in the line that feeds the rear actuators.

The connections going to the actuators were like new, and very tight. I decided to look at the in dash controls.

The front panel has about 10 pressure fit clips, being careful, it pulled straight out.
There are four screws that holds the switch panel in place.
And one that holds the right hand switch in place.

The black hose in the back of the switch brings vacuum in, and when the switch is turned to heat, it just blocks the hose so that there is no vacuum leak. When the switch is turned to rear AC, it connects the black and white so that the white has vacuum (which shuts the hot water off from underneath, and flips the blue lever on the inside to direct the air to the roof.)

I checked vacuum at the black hose at the switch and had 17 inches of vacuum. So I knew that I was loosing some vacuum between there and the actuators.

Here's more information than what you need unless you are also having an issue with your front vents. When I just disconnected the vacuum connection to the switch, it created a vacuum leak in the black hose. That hose gets its vacuum from the main black vacuum line that feeds the front vent directional control switch and all of its actuators. When it was disconnected the default was for the air or heat to be directed to the windshield/defrosters.

When I held my thumb over the opening to the black hose, the front vents worked properly again.

I took the switch apart and couldn't figure how to fix it I ordered a new one. TO my pleasant surprise it was only $30 with tax. It'll be in tomorrow, from the dealership.

IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

Here are some pictures to help.
Attachment 1239
This just pulls off

Attachment 1240
ONly four screws holds this in

Attachment 1241


Attachment 1242
This plugs into the rear switch. IF one wants a free bypass, I temporarily stripped about 3/4 inch of plastic insulation off of some 16 or 18 guage wire. Stuck it in both ends of the plastic connector that holds the black and white hoses into the switch to splice the two together, and taped it up with black electrical tape.

When one wants rear heat, pull that tape off, and block the black hose with some tape.

Attachment 1243
This is the rear heater control valve that is outside, under the van on the driver's side in front of the rear wheel.
I foloowed every step as listed above....and ACTUALLY found two other items not presented so far.
1. there is a hidden vaccum cannister inside the front passenger wheel well..with a rubber "L" shaped cap. This was almost off----resulted most likley from the right fender damages in an accident. Pulled it off, cleaned it and reattached.
2. Here's the culprit to all these concerns of a failed system There is a clear RUBBERIZED "T" fiiting from the Main Black Vacuum Line leading to the Master control Switching. This "T' then supplies the Wite/Black vacuum lines to the REAR AC/Heat Switch. The cure all came with the aid of an awl and human spit. I blocked the lines and out of curiosity (frustration) coated the "T" fitting with spit. I watched the human fluids being sucked into the fitting.. VIOLA it was dry rotted . This was corrected temporarily by cuting the line and going directly to the rubber housing on the control switch.
3. The Rubberized fitting on the Rear Ac?heat fan switch is also another rubberized fastener. most liley a heat shrunk item from Ford. So, that too was leaking..and I simply used that awl and directly coonected both vacuum lines to the switch..
ALL IS FIXED--UNTIL I GET TO NAPA AND BUY A BRASS "T" FITTING.

Also --this small leak also affected my power brakes.... BE FOREWARNED..
THANKS again........:
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