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Ford Windstar Introduced in the mid-1990s, the front-wheel-drive Ford Windstar minivan campaigned with an emphasis on, and reputation for, safety. And in the hotly contested family minivan market of the time, that was an especially solid piece of ground to be on. As long as buyers didn't need to haul adults in back on a regular basis, the Windstar served a family's needs just fine.

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Old 07-28-2008, 04:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 2003 Windstar with the 3.8 and I assumed I had tranny problems as their was a constant shutter from 1st gear to 4th but only in over drive.

Took it to the tranny shop today and they said my catalytics are clogged causing the shutter I am feeling. My fuel mileage is about 16mpg even with the suggested clogged catalytics.

The van seems a little sluggish, I can here a loud swirling sound when I honk on the loud pedal and there seems to be the sound of marbles that are almost not apparant.

Has anyone ever experienced catalytic failure in a vehicle that is only 5 years old?
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Old 07-28-2008, 05:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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probably the problem. would think you should get at least 20 mph with that 3.8. while your at it might want to change your o2 sensor
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Has anyone ever experienced catalytic failure in a vehicle that is only 5 years old?
sure, it can happen, depends on how much the vehicle has been driven. how many miles are on your van?
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Leaded gas will kill a cat quickly. I've heard that running too rich will, too.

Quckest way to check a cat is an emissions test. It will have too much CO with bad cat. Another way is to look inside. One I pulled on a VW was a pile of rubble, instead of a lattice work. Save old cats; the platinum is worth $$.

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What a pain in the ass this van has become.

I phoned about half a dozen muffler shops and they are all quoting me $800-$900 for the cats plus installation which brings me just under $1000.00

So, I went out and bought the direct fit system for my '03 which was $480.00 tax in.

Replace the o2 sensor you say, I think you mean o2 Sensor, there are 4 of them on an '03 windstar and at $90 a piece, I do not quite think so.

Will be installing this direct fit system very shortly. Will see what happens.
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The cat may be under Fords Emissions Warranty still, I hope you checked with them first.

Also what grade of fuel are you running?
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I am running 89 octane and i usually put Throttle body cleaner through the intake every 15,000 km's - 20,000 km's.

Just checked with Ford of Canada in regards to the emissions warranty system and their coverage is 8 years or 130,000 km's.

As my luck goes, I am 8,000km's outside the warranty so I am NOT covered.

FIGURES

Everything seems to go wrong outside of the warranty guidelines

This van is actually a Rear-Entry wheelchair accessinle vehicle and I am wondering because of the way they have modified the exhaust system, if this may be the culprit as to why the catalytics have clogged.

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The engine is not designed to be ran on 89, that was your first mistake that lead to the issues you are having.
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First, if you remove the cats, insist on getting them from the mech. They are worth serious $$. They're being stolen all the time.

I would get a second opinion on the cats, unless the shop showed you failure codes condemning them, which I doubt. Also, the Electronic Fuel Injection may not perform correctly without the cats. My neighbor had them pulled off his 4wd pickup, and had to put them back on, so it would run decently.

Throttle body cleaner sounds like something for Throttle Body Injection, which the Windstar doesn't have. In fact, something like that could possibly coat or permanently damage the airflow sensor in the intake.

It's unlikely the wheelchair conversion would damage the exhaust, but a good shop can put it up on the hoist, inspect it, and let you look for yourself.

You have a valuable vehicle there, so it's worth fixing and making reliable once again.

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It states right in the owners manual that 89 octane is the norm for the 3.8 motor.

This is not a supercharged or turbo charged motor requiring 91 octane or higher.

As for the cats, the new ones are installed and she seems to be running better.

If the Windstar does not have a throttle body, what exactly does it have. I would be under the assumption as I am mechanically inclined that the throttle cables from the fuel pedal are leading to what we know in the industry as the THROTTLE BODY. I am not aware of any other terminology for these air controling meters other than the terminology I have used.

You have the air filter, the mass air sensor and than the throttle body where inside you will find the butterfly where the throttle linkage will be hooked up to in order to control air flow and desired fuel
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